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2011-07-12 11:59:47
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Hello dear forum,
I have been following you for a while and I think I have already learned quite a bit and gathered information that can be very useful for my family and me for our project "house construction".
A brief introduction: My wife and I are in our mid-30s. We have 2 children (3 and 5). A third child might also be possible. We live in southern Lower Saxony and want to build within the town if possible.
I would like an assessment from you about our project. We have already had a few talks (architect, financial advisor) and gathered information.
Our wish is for a solid single-family house with a cross gable, without a basement, with about 140/150 sqm of living space. For storage and as a basement replacement, a large garage (about 4m x 9m - single garage + storage room) should be directly attached to the house. Some floor-to-ceiling windows, underfloor heating would be nice, and there should also be a chimney. We do not want anything extravagant in terms of equipment.
It should be a KfW70 house, also to be able to receive the 50,000 € funding.
Room layout:
Ground floor: living room and kitchen, utility room, bathroom with shower, guest room (which could later be used as the parents’ bedroom)
Upper floor: 4 rooms, bathroom
Plot:
We have a plot in mind where the price expectations currently differ widely. Alternatively, there will hopefully soon be a new development area in the town where, thanks to local residency and child bonuses, we would probably have good chances of getting a plot.
The currently available plot has about a 10% slope away from the street. All utilities are at the street. Special feature of the plot: two-story development is mandatory, so a higher knee wall is necessary. According to the municipal utilities, the connection of gas and water would cost about 5,500 €. Electricity and telecom would be additional.
A construction expert always estimates 30,000 € for house connection costs in his posts. What is included in this?
Financial situation:
We have 40,000 € equity (plus 10,000 € reserve, which should really remain for car, washing machine, and whatever else might break). The equity consists of 25,000 € "cash" and 15,000 € in building savings contracts.
We have calculated that we can and want to repay a maximum of 900 € per month. Options for special repayments should of course be agreed upon. The 900 € are manageable with one salary. The second (half) salary is then supposed to flow at least partially into special repayments.
Our current calculation looks like this:
Plot including incidental acquisition costs: 65,000 €
House including garage ("turnkey"): 170,000 €
New kitchen: 10,000 €
Garden and co.: 5,000 €
Miscellaneous: 5,000 €
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Total: 255,000 €
- Equity: 40,000 €
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Financing requirement: 215,000 €
The financing requirement currently matches (but unfortunately only with a maximum fixed interest rate period of 10 years) the 900 € repayment.
"Turnkey" means that the house should really be completely finished then, including house connection costs, floor coverings, and wallpaper. We can do the interior finishing on the upper floor with drywall ourselves.
In owner’s labor, we would do (with various family members) the flooring and wallpapering work as well as the bathroom design (tiling, attaching sinks and toilets, installing the shower). We will also do garden and paving work ourselves – it does not all have to be finished by the time we move in.
We would do the electrical work with a friend who is an electrician, so payment in addition to pure material costs must be taken into account here.
We are well aware that the budget is quite tight. But it must also be affordable in the long run – after all, we will be paying for it for the next 40 years.
A friend who is an architect described the 170,000 € for the house as "very ambitious". However, he specializes more in high-quality ecological construction.
According to catalog information from some solid house providers, it should not be entirely impossible to build for this price.
In principle, I would rather build with an architect and a civil engineer than with a solid house provider – if only because of construction supervision. But we are not fixed on that.
What do you say? Is this within the realm of possibility or is it completely unrealistic to get our house for this price?
And one more question about financing: The first assessment by a financial advisor was that it makes more sense to dissolve the building savings contracts and use them directly as equity. Originally, we had planned to save into the building savings contracts and, once they matured (around 2016), use them for repayment in order to possibly reduce the monthly repayment after about 10 years. How do you assess this? It doesn’t matter to us if the calculation adds up to 1,000 € more or less over the entire term – we would rather tighten the belt somewhat for a manageable time in order to have more breathing room later. Furthermore, the house should be paid off during our working life – so not only in 40 but at the latest in 30 years.
How else could one solve this with the decreasing monthly burden?
I look forward to your answers,
Jens
I have been following you for a while and I think I have already learned quite a bit and gathered information that can be very useful for my family and me for our project "house construction".
A brief introduction: My wife and I are in our mid-30s. We have 2 children (3 and 5). A third child might also be possible. We live in southern Lower Saxony and want to build within the town if possible.
I would like an assessment from you about our project. We have already had a few talks (architect, financial advisor) and gathered information.
Our wish is for a solid single-family house with a cross gable, without a basement, with about 140/150 sqm of living space. For storage and as a basement replacement, a large garage (about 4m x 9m - single garage + storage room) should be directly attached to the house. Some floor-to-ceiling windows, underfloor heating would be nice, and there should also be a chimney. We do not want anything extravagant in terms of equipment.
It should be a KfW70 house, also to be able to receive the 50,000 € funding.
Room layout:
Ground floor: living room and kitchen, utility room, bathroom with shower, guest room (which could later be used as the parents’ bedroom)
Upper floor: 4 rooms, bathroom
Plot:
We have a plot in mind where the price expectations currently differ widely. Alternatively, there will hopefully soon be a new development area in the town where, thanks to local residency and child bonuses, we would probably have good chances of getting a plot.
The currently available plot has about a 10% slope away from the street. All utilities are at the street. Special feature of the plot: two-story development is mandatory, so a higher knee wall is necessary. According to the municipal utilities, the connection of gas and water would cost about 5,500 €. Electricity and telecom would be additional.
A construction expert always estimates 30,000 € for house connection costs in his posts. What is included in this?
Financial situation:
We have 40,000 € equity (plus 10,000 € reserve, which should really remain for car, washing machine, and whatever else might break). The equity consists of 25,000 € "cash" and 15,000 € in building savings contracts.
We have calculated that we can and want to repay a maximum of 900 € per month. Options for special repayments should of course be agreed upon. The 900 € are manageable with one salary. The second (half) salary is then supposed to flow at least partially into special repayments.
Our current calculation looks like this:
Plot including incidental acquisition costs: 65,000 €
House including garage ("turnkey"): 170,000 €
New kitchen: 10,000 €
Garden and co.: 5,000 €
Miscellaneous: 5,000 €
----------------------------------------------
Total: 255,000 €
- Equity: 40,000 €
----------------------------------------------
Financing requirement: 215,000 €
The financing requirement currently matches (but unfortunately only with a maximum fixed interest rate period of 10 years) the 900 € repayment.
"Turnkey" means that the house should really be completely finished then, including house connection costs, floor coverings, and wallpaper. We can do the interior finishing on the upper floor with drywall ourselves.
In owner’s labor, we would do (with various family members) the flooring and wallpapering work as well as the bathroom design (tiling, attaching sinks and toilets, installing the shower). We will also do garden and paving work ourselves – it does not all have to be finished by the time we move in.
We would do the electrical work with a friend who is an electrician, so payment in addition to pure material costs must be taken into account here.
We are well aware that the budget is quite tight. But it must also be affordable in the long run – after all, we will be paying for it for the next 40 years.
A friend who is an architect described the 170,000 € for the house as "very ambitious". However, he specializes more in high-quality ecological construction.
According to catalog information from some solid house providers, it should not be entirely impossible to build for this price.
In principle, I would rather build with an architect and a civil engineer than with a solid house provider – if only because of construction supervision. But we are not fixed on that.
What do you say? Is this within the realm of possibility or is it completely unrealistic to get our house for this price?
And one more question about financing: The first assessment by a financial advisor was that it makes more sense to dissolve the building savings contracts and use them directly as equity. Originally, we had planned to save into the building savings contracts and, once they matured (around 2016), use them for repayment in order to possibly reduce the monthly repayment after about 10 years. How do you assess this? It doesn’t matter to us if the calculation adds up to 1,000 € more or less over the entire term – we would rather tighten the belt somewhat for a manageable time in order to have more breathing room later. Furthermore, the house should be paid off during our working life – so not only in 40 but at the latest in 30 years.
How else could one solve this with the decreasing monthly burden?
I look forward to your answers,
Jens