Moisture - Roof structure - Wall and wood

  • Erstellt am 2013-01-20 15:54:53

JohnnyChicago

2013-01-20 15:54:53
  • #1
Have a nice Sunday

I am new to the forum and not really a construction expert (but I can do painting, wallpapering, etc.. )

New build: Construction started November 2011 - move-in December 2012

Roof:
- Insulation is on the attic floor, under the insulation is a blue foil = everything dry.
- The roof itself is not insulated from above. It only has a gray foil on it and on both sides of the slope there are each 2 "ventilation shafts" installed.
. The attic itself is therefore very cold in winter. You feel a constant draft.
(sorry for the amateur description)

Problem:
- On the wall (north side) the brick (Bisotherm) is slightly damp in the area of the crossbeam (which runs along the wall)
- There is a gap of about 0.5 cm between the wall and the beam.
- The beam is also slightly damp. (no visible signs of mold yet)
- Otherwise no moisture detectable elsewhere. Insulation (glass wool? rock wool?) at the spot dry (but it does not rest against the wall but against the wood), also the foil.
(this also ends at the beam)
- The room under the roof is dry at the affected spot (so no visible moisture damage)

Question:
- Is something like this normal and falls under residual moisture (sweating) or
- should one get alarmed?

Many thanks for your answers and help
 

Homi

2013-01-22 16:32:32
  • #2
hi, send a photo. however, the first beam should be at least 6cm away from the wall to fit 6cm of insulation there...was a [Ringbalken] poured (concrete) there? then it could be residual moisture...
 

JohnnyChicago

2013-01-22 16:47:35
  • #3


Here you can see the roof structure in the shell construction stage.
It is not a ring beam.
The roof is planned as a cold roof.
The insulation lies on the floor.
There is no insulation between the masonry and the beam.
Could it be that warm air from the room condenses on the cold wall in the area of the attic?
A vapor barrier in the form of a blue foil is laid up to the beam (the insulation lies on this foil).
The ceilings of the rooms below the attic are about 5 cm thick but are not intended as load-bearing ceilings, i.e., the attic cannot be converted.
 

JohnnyChicago

2013-01-22 16:51:59
  • #4


Here is another view from a different room.
 

Homi

2013-01-28 19:35:51
  • #5
morning Johnny,

actually, there should be no problems with thermal bridges there (bisotherm), although I generally find this solution of the collar beam layer unsightly. My suspicion: holes in the vapor barrier, more likely: vapor barrier not well glued/plastered! And so the warm moist air can condense on the cold surface. Tip: open a small spot of plaster and check. According to DIN, the foil must be glued (special foil adhesive, flexible, not acrylic) and the plaster must be installed with a fabric or expanded metal...
 

B. Botermann

2013-04-29 12:32:52
  • #6
Homi's contribution sounds very reasonable: I also think that the vapor barrier was not properly installed.
 

Similar topics
14.01.2013Insulation / Vapor Barrier Top Floor Ceiling / Collar Beam, Open Ceiling14
08.08.2015Insulation wooden beam ceiling10
21.08.2014Insulation on upper floor concrete ceiling / roof by own work - vapor barrier?10
21.10.2015What type of attic insulation is sensible?12
20.05.2016OSB panels for the attic "required", yet extra charge?33
01.07.2017Roof construction - Which type of vapor barrier?10
05.08.2017Screed necessary? Unfinished but insulated attic23
02.12.2017Insulation of the top floor ceiling17
18.03.2024Attic problem. High humidity - Controlled residential ventilation?39
12.08.2018Insulate the top floor ceiling without a vapor barrier17
09.03.2020Attic with gable roof 22 degrees roof pitch31
05.11.2019Create an insulated technical room for the gas boiler in the attic57
13.04.2020Insulation in the construction trailer, vapor barrier yes/no?12
25.03.2020Insulation of the attic as living space15
12.04.2020Isolated drywall chamber for controlled residential ventilation in the attic26
07.10.2021Construct attic floor24
14.09.2020Vapor barrier roof - tape stapler nails?10
09.03.2021Reinforce floor slab insulation, reduce heat entry into the upper floor13
23.04.2021Insulation of the floor ceiling - house purchase12
14.12.2022Insulate cold roof attic for office23

Oben