Is terrain modeling allowed on the property?

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11ant

2017-04-18 16:35:38
  • #1


In this development plan (preliminary draft), terrain modelings are indeed shown, but in my opinion should not be understood as suggestions/frameworks for modified modelings, rather it states "natural terrain." Under C3 it reads: "For the WR area, the gradient of the accessing planned road is set at the height of the building center of the main building as the reference height level." C5 contains no indication of intended measures for changing the terrain modeling.

I do not see any design possibilities here that would affect the reference heights. The procedure for changes is mentioned under E, but I see no potential there for a design of the desired reference heights. C3 is too clear for that. Thus, each property is given its individual "0.00" depending on the location of its main building.

But, mind you: this is a preliminary draft. From which I have the impression that competent people were involved (which speaks for the quality of the municipal administration and allows justified hope that the thing will not look significantly different in its legally binding state).
 

Wissi

2017-04-18 16:51:53
  • #2
Hm, okay. I had understood point C3 so far that the reference height (street height at the building center) is only used to determine/set the maximum heights of the building. As I understand you, you would also relate that to any terrain heights. Even those that we as builders would like to change later, right? In the schematic sectional drawing, the "natural terrain" (gray) is indicated simultaneously with the "terrain modeling" (black). But whether these are only suggestions or whether the terrain will actually be modeled that way during development, unfortunately I don’t know.
 

11ant

2017-04-18 18:28:12
  • #3


You understood that correctly. That fixes all your reference heights, whether you apply that to your finished floor level of the ground floor or not. You can only influence exactly where this height is located (from which your ridge height, etc., is then measured) by changing the position of your building center. Whether you expose the tooth neck of your basement or raise the terrain up to the parapet height of the upper floor: you cannot "design" your building height from the street this way.



You misunderstood me there: this height specification does not fix your terrain profile. Through it, you simply cannot shift reference heights.



The schematic section drawing—shown for several roof shapes—always represents the same:

On the left, you see the mountainside lots, with the building envelopes shown in blue dashed lines, where the mountainside houses are recommended to be positioned roughly in the center. Next comes the beige bar symbolizing the planned street, whose road centerline follows the natural terrain. On the right, you then see the valley-side lots. The symbolic buildings stand roadside at the building boundary.

The actual natural terrain profile is fictitiously drawn as a straight (i.e., evenly) descending dashed line. The terrain modeling (meaning the modification by the developers) assumes in the drawing that the terrain is altered from the street edge in a straight line rising to the finished floor level of the respective entrance story, and within the building depth rises by one story height. On the mountain side, you enter on the basement level, on the valley side at the ground floor.

It is advisable to follow this proposal, otherwise, you would have a height difference across the neighbor that would need to be properly sloped or supported. With this proposal, the mountainside developers already lie significantly above the reference height line at the basement floor level. To prevent them from losing a story as a result, they are granted 4 m more ridge/gable height. This could be a point of dispute that might change the plan until it becomes legally binding.

In C4, I see no specification regarding garage height, so different terrain heights between neighboring lots would not lead to flatter garages per se—but this may already be regulated by higher-level building laws and therefore might not have to be mentioned in the development plan.

My advice—but don’t forget: I am a business consultant, not a surveyor or building law expert—would be: orient yourself to the proposal in the development plan. As a valley-side adjoining owner: plan your finished floor level of the ground floor approximately at street level. You must make the terrain modeling modifications yourself; the municipality simply follows the planned street alignment and nothing else. Coordinate with your neighbors. Laterally, you will roughly follow the street profile because the "zero height" flows along with it (and I assume that your neighbors also do not want rain running into their front doors, but don’t want to raise terrain further beyond that).
 

Wissi

2017-04-18 20:02:34
  • #4
All right, thanks to you too for your assessment!

Since we will be building on the mountain side, we have to see how we can get into the house most elegantly. Preferably not through the basement.

Maybe it is enough if we go a bit deeper with the house. Are there actually any restrictions downwards? Not that we would want to live in a "hole" now, but going a bit down would probably be quite nice.
 

DG

2017-04-19 11:18:34
  • #5
However you do it, with such a property I would be very interested to know where the water drains during heavy rain. In this context, it is also very important to know what the higher-lying neighbor plans or is allowed/must do to manage the rainwater.

Best regards
Dirk Grafe
 

Escroda

2017-04-19 12:23:00
  • #6
That’s not what I meant either. However, the presentation allows the conclusion that at least from a planning law perspective, terrain modellings are not restricted. I don’t see it that way. By publication on 28.09.2016, the plan has become legally binding. The absence of signatures is probably due to the digital plan being posted online and the original with signatures not being scanned. The OP has this on his property in addition to the already existing approximately 5m high embankment. This will hardly be avoidable. However, I wouldn’t call the storey a basement, as it will be completely above ground facing the street. Not according to the development plan. But your building envelope is about 5m above the reference point. You already have to get rid of a lot of soil, every centimeter deeper costs money and doesn’t make the later garden design any easier.
 

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