Zwerchgiebel
2023-03-05 16:42:28
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Dear community,
I would like to get your opinion on the topic of [Bausparvertrag]. I know this has already been discussed here from time to time, but mostly with manageable outstanding debt.
In 2020, we got a really good interest rate, but unfortunately, it was only fixed for 10 years. The surcharges for longer terms were relatively high, and at that time the interest rate turnaround was not yet in sight. I am aware that this was not smart from today’s perspective, but it can no longer be changed.
We set the repayment rate relatively low because we preferred to use the remaining available money for special repayments. Also as a safeguard, in case something unforeseen happens.
Total loan amount: 770,000 euros
Divided into three parts:
- Annuity loan through the bank: 530,000 euros - term 10 years - repayment 2% - interest rate 0.55%
- 2x [KfW] loans (based on 2 residential units): 240,000 euros - term 10 years - interest rate 0.95% (+ repayment subsidy 36,000 euros)
For the bank loan, a special repayment of 25,000 euros per year is possible.
Outstanding debt after fixed interest period: presumably approx. 570,000 euros.
Now the fixed interest periods will expire in 2030 and we would have to refinance at the then current interest rate. No one knows today what it will look like in 2030.
The bank offered us a [Bausparvertrag] from [LBS]. I know the reservations and costs for a [Bausparvertrag], but I would still like to hear your opinion.
Building society: [LBS Südwest]
[Build savings tariff]: [ZukunftPlus]
Credit interest rate: 0.01%
Contract fee: 1.6%
Nominal interest rate: 1.19% (effective 1.54%)
Repayment rate: approx. 1,000 euros
Total costs (including interest): approx. 7,000 euros.
During the payment phase, various models were proposed to us, either with monthly installments or annual payments.
The idea would now be to secure a part of the outstanding debt (e.g. 200k€) via the [Bausparvertrag] with the interest rate of 1.19%. The remaining amount would then be financed at the future interest rates.
We could come up with the 25k€ special repayment per year through our salaries. If we calculate conservatively with 20k€, three variants would emerge:
1) Special payment into the loan -> I reduce the outstanding debt by 140k€ and then finance 430k€ with the future interest rate
2) [Bausparvertrag] -> I could secure 200k€ (or 55% thereof) with 1.19% interest (costing me approx. 3.2k€) and then finance 370k€ with the future interest rate
3) Investing -> Would generate approx. 20k€ "profit" with very positively calculated 5% interest. With this I reduce the outstanding debt by 160k€ and finance 410k€ with the future interest rate
What is your opinion on this? Have I overlooked something?
And are there currently better [Bausparverträge] on the market compared to [LBS]?
Thank you for your answers.
I would like to get your opinion on the topic of [Bausparvertrag]. I know this has already been discussed here from time to time, but mostly with manageable outstanding debt.
In 2020, we got a really good interest rate, but unfortunately, it was only fixed for 10 years. The surcharges for longer terms were relatively high, and at that time the interest rate turnaround was not yet in sight. I am aware that this was not smart from today’s perspective, but it can no longer be changed.
We set the repayment rate relatively low because we preferred to use the remaining available money for special repayments. Also as a safeguard, in case something unforeseen happens.
Total loan amount: 770,000 euros
Divided into three parts:
- Annuity loan through the bank: 530,000 euros - term 10 years - repayment 2% - interest rate 0.55%
- 2x [KfW] loans (based on 2 residential units): 240,000 euros - term 10 years - interest rate 0.95% (+ repayment subsidy 36,000 euros)
For the bank loan, a special repayment of 25,000 euros per year is possible.
Outstanding debt after fixed interest period: presumably approx. 570,000 euros.
Now the fixed interest periods will expire in 2030 and we would have to refinance at the then current interest rate. No one knows today what it will look like in 2030.
The bank offered us a [Bausparvertrag] from [LBS]. I know the reservations and costs for a [Bausparvertrag], but I would still like to hear your opinion.
Building society: [LBS Südwest]
[Build savings tariff]: [ZukunftPlus]
Credit interest rate: 0.01%
Contract fee: 1.6%
Nominal interest rate: 1.19% (effective 1.54%)
Repayment rate: approx. 1,000 euros
Total costs (including interest): approx. 7,000 euros.
During the payment phase, various models were proposed to us, either with monthly installments or annual payments.
The idea would now be to secure a part of the outstanding debt (e.g. 200k€) via the [Bausparvertrag] with the interest rate of 1.19%. The remaining amount would then be financed at the future interest rates.
We could come up with the 25k€ special repayment per year through our salaries. If we calculate conservatively with 20k€, three variants would emerge:
1) Special payment into the loan -> I reduce the outstanding debt by 140k€ and then finance 430k€ with the future interest rate
2) [Bausparvertrag] -> I could secure 200k€ (or 55% thereof) with 1.19% interest (costing me approx. 3.2k€) and then finance 370k€ with the future interest rate
3) Investing -> Would generate approx. 20k€ "profit" with very positively calculated 5% interest. With this I reduce the outstanding debt by 160k€ and finance 410k€ with the future interest rate
What is your opinion on this? Have I overlooked something?
And are there currently better [Bausparverträge] on the market compared to [LBS]?
Thank you for your answers.