Insulating the foundation slab afterwards despite low room height?

  • Erstellt am 2019-03-11 21:26:30

Kanjuga

2019-03-11 21:26:30
  • #1
Hello dear ones!

I am currently trying to buy a house, built in 1958, without a basement, windows partially renewed in 2005, structure is good, it only has electric heating and no insulation. Since there is no gas connection in the village, I don’t want oil, and a gas tank is also not really my favorite, a pellet heating system with a silo should be installed if possible (in case that is important). Originally, I definitely wanted tiles and underfloor heating, but the rooms only have a clear height of 2.30m -_-

in the upper floor that wouldn’t be a problem (simply leave out the insulation and accept heating the lower rooms as well), but on the ground floor on the slab, it is already a problem because of the energy saving regulations. Insulation including underfloor heating would mean a loss of at least 10cm in height. Tiles without underfloor heating and without insulation will be cold underfoot, laminate, parquet, vinyl are actually no alternatives because of my cats. Is there "anything" that can be done to achieve a lower build-up height (e.g. break out the old screed and make it new from scratch, a special insulation material that is not 80mm, ..)? Any other ideas for my problem? The ground floor area is about 55sqm

I am still absolutely ignorant in the whole field, the possible purchase came up very spontaneously, but I am not unskilled in craftsmanship and able to learn, so please be kind and understanding ;-)

Best regards
Kanjuga
 

kbt09

2019-03-11 23:09:44
  • #2
Wall heating instead of underfloor heating comes to mind. The principle is similar.
 

Caspar2020

2019-03-12 06:28:56
  • #3
How thick is the current screed? Normally, it is removed when underfloor heating is installed afterwards.

And then there are definitely underfloor heating systems with a lower build-up than the "classic" underfloor heating. Just try googling it.

Both together and then also in combination with so-called vacuum insulation panels (they are thinner but good).

Without advertising now
 

Caspar2020

2019-03-12 06:31:25
  • #4
Where will the silo be placed?
 

dertill

2019-03-12 07:45:00
  • #5


Definitely remove the old screed and the old insulation first. Probably there are about 2 cm mineral fiber insulation and 5-6 cm screed in there.

If you want to tile anyway, it makes sense to leave out the screed altogether and glue XPS construction boards (WEDI, Jackodur, etc.) directly onto the raw floor (after possibly pouring leveling compounds) and tile directly on them. This way you can achieve 7-8 cm insulation. According to WEDI, you can also install underfloor heating directly in the top centimeters of the construction boards, skim over, and tile on top. We did that in our bathroom, but only on 5 m² of tiles. It works well, also in terms of heat distribution with 10 cm spacing between the pipes (16 mm pipe). There is information about this on Wedi's website. For even more insulation beneath, you could first use 5 cm PUR or resol rigid foam with a WLG of 028 and then glue 30 mm XPS with a WLG of 035 on top.

However, note that you cannot get much more than 50 W/m² heating power with underfloor heating alone. If the walls and roof are not sufficiently insulated, that is not enough to heat the house adequately.



... and they are quite expensive. Otherwise, you could lay 20 mm aerogel mats with a WLG of 007 underneath – but don't ask about the price :)

Alternatively to the wood pellet heating, if you use surface heating (underfloor or wall), you could also use an electric heat pump. Without underfloor heating, however, this is not worthwhile due to the high flow temperatures. Additionally, take a wood stove, water-based with connection to the buffer tank for the really cold days and/or solar thermal on the roof for heating and domestic hot water. The buffer tank is there anyway, and in renovation subsidy programs (KfW, BAFA) all of this is well supported.
 

Similar topics
07.04.2014Planning attic conversion in new construction - heating, ventilation, insulation?14
22.08.2014Underfloor heating or not?20
08.06.2016Questions about underfloor heating - new subfloor/screed/granite tiles14
23.08.2018Screed or tiles with a concrete look39
25.11.2017Underfloor heating is not getting warm - 20,000 kWh consumption11
21.02.2018Too cold to install the underfloor heating?11
20.06.2018The basement should become warmer - underfloor heating, insulation?11
18.12.2018Underfloor heating, laminate, or tiles: which is warmer for the feet?35
30.03.2019Underfloor heating vs. room height, what should one do?23
02.02.2020Insulation under the floor slab - Is it sensible? Experiences39
12.07.2019Warm / not cold floor - underfloor heating?10
09.10.2019Screed and tiles already laid but no heating14
10.11.2019Tiles or vinyl in kitchen and hallway19
14.01.2020Additional costs for wall heating instead of underfloor heating22
16.01.2020Floor construction & height adjustment in old buildings (underfloor heating)13
13.05.2020Self-adhesive vinyl on screed20
19.08.2021Very thin screed, earth underneath - what to do?16
22.11.2023Very low construction height with underfloor heating in old buildings11
25.11.2022Mill underfloor heating or apply new screed?17
24.03.2023Work on basement ceiling insulation with stone wool48

Oben