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2024-05-17 17:27:22
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Hello everyone,
I am really grateful that this forum exists, where I have been happily browsing through some evenings for the past few weeks!
We had actually planned the topic of building a house in 1-2 years, but a few conditions changed at the beginning of this year and basically got the ball rolling a bit earlier for us.
Frankly, we quickly had to realize that in 2024 we are talking about prices that my younger self would never have even dreamed of. The low prices from companies like Allkauf Haus on Immoscout and similar made us suspicious, and after further research in various forums, we were quickly brought back down to earth. For example, I first had to learn what a "shell house" is and much more. Well, it is just the way it is.
Currently, we have some plots of land that we are keeping an eye on, for example one with 600sqm size for €136,000 (+additional costs, no realtor commission). And now the uncertainty begins: We would have to be more concrete with our financial planning, and I still find it difficult to reasonably estimate the house part. How do we best proceed? Before we go to the bank, we should first know roughly how much the house costs, right? But for that, we would first have to talk to a construction company...? Can we even go to construction companies with our vague ideas without a fixed plot?
When dreaming about the house, we think of 130-140sqm, solid construction, 5 rooms including a guest/workroom, and our special requests are basically "only" a guest WC with shower, photovoltaic system and KNX.
If I piece together information from various sources, by rough calculation I get at least €400,000 for the house without extras, photovoltaic up to €30,000 and the KNX installation up to €20,000, then there are additional costs - roughly 15% of the house costs, so €60,000? And you should also set aside a buffer.
With online loan calculators, I arrive at the following figures:
- Construction project €450,000
- Additional construction costs €60,000
- Plot €136,000
- Plot additional costs €6,000 (only notary and land registry, as property transfer tax is waived)
- Current equity €70,000
makes a loan amount of: €582,000
- which corresponds to a loan-to-value ratio of 99% (582K€/(450K€+136K€)), is that correct?
The result is loans with a 10-year fixed interest period and 2% repayment, with monthly installments of about €2,700, which unfortunately is also somewhat higher than 40% of the net income.
Is our plan even realistic? Attached is the questionnaire from the pinned post.
We are grateful for any advice!
Questionnaire:
General about you:
* Who are you?
* Married couple
* How old are you?
* 32 & 25
* Are there children?
* No
* Are children planned?
* Yes, in 2-3 years
* What do you do professionally?
* IT
* Retail
* Are you employed, self-employed, retired, housewife, househusband etc.?
* Employed
* How many hours do you work?
* 40 & 30
Income and asset situation:
* What income do you have (gross/net)?
* Net: €5200 + €1300
* How much equity do you have?
* €70,000 (planned to be €100,000 by the end of the year)
* How much equity do you want to invest in the house project?
* 90%, so €90,000
Expenditure situation:
Housing costs:
* current warm rent
* €1600 "warm" is a joke... we don’t even really heat in winter because otherwise we would just be "burning" more money
* Electricity
* €90
* Phone, Internet, Mobile
* €45+15+15
Mobility costs:
* Car loan (or savings rate for a new car)
* €300
* Insurance
* €70
* Fuel
* €100
* Other
* €90 car parking space at the house
Insurance costs:
* Private health insurance (also supplementary health insurance, daily sickness allowance etc.)
* €25
* Liability insurance (also pets)
* €4
* Household contents insurance
* €7
* Legal expenses insurance
* €35
Living expenses:
* Groceries
* €400
* Restaurant costs
* €50
* Personal care/drugstore
* €25
* Clothing
* €50
* TV/Video/Audio/CDs/DVD
* €20 already paid?
* Other
* €200 (subscriptions, streaming, software, servers, ...)
Savings:
* Vacation
* €250
* House
* €2000 (building equity)
* Hobbies/Gifts
* €150+150
* Other
* €250 emergency fund
* €200 household appliances new purchases/repairs
Income and expense totals:
* Total income
* €6500
* Total expenses
* €6141
* Balance
* €359
* of which total cold rent and dispensable savings (e.g. savings rate for house)
We do not yet have further details on the remaining questions.
I am really grateful that this forum exists, where I have been happily browsing through some evenings for the past few weeks!
We had actually planned the topic of building a house in 1-2 years, but a few conditions changed at the beginning of this year and basically got the ball rolling a bit earlier for us.
Frankly, we quickly had to realize that in 2024 we are talking about prices that my younger self would never have even dreamed of. The low prices from companies like Allkauf Haus on Immoscout and similar made us suspicious, and after further research in various forums, we were quickly brought back down to earth. For example, I first had to learn what a "shell house" is and much more. Well, it is just the way it is.
Currently, we have some plots of land that we are keeping an eye on, for example one with 600sqm size for €136,000 (+additional costs, no realtor commission). And now the uncertainty begins: We would have to be more concrete with our financial planning, and I still find it difficult to reasonably estimate the house part. How do we best proceed? Before we go to the bank, we should first know roughly how much the house costs, right? But for that, we would first have to talk to a construction company...? Can we even go to construction companies with our vague ideas without a fixed plot?
When dreaming about the house, we think of 130-140sqm, solid construction, 5 rooms including a guest/workroom, and our special requests are basically "only" a guest WC with shower, photovoltaic system and KNX.
If I piece together information from various sources, by rough calculation I get at least €400,000 for the house without extras, photovoltaic up to €30,000 and the KNX installation up to €20,000, then there are additional costs - roughly 15% of the house costs, so €60,000? And you should also set aside a buffer.
With online loan calculators, I arrive at the following figures:
- Construction project €450,000
- Additional construction costs €60,000
- Plot €136,000
- Plot additional costs €6,000 (only notary and land registry, as property transfer tax is waived)
- Current equity €70,000
makes a loan amount of: €582,000
- which corresponds to a loan-to-value ratio of 99% (582K€/(450K€+136K€)), is that correct?
The result is loans with a 10-year fixed interest period and 2% repayment, with monthly installments of about €2,700, which unfortunately is also somewhat higher than 40% of the net income.
Is our plan even realistic? Attached is the questionnaire from the pinned post.
We are grateful for any advice!
Questionnaire:
General about you:
* Who are you?
* Married couple
* How old are you?
* 32 & 25
* Are there children?
* No
* Are children planned?
* Yes, in 2-3 years
* What do you do professionally?
* IT
* Retail
* Are you employed, self-employed, retired, housewife, househusband etc.?
* Employed
* How many hours do you work?
* 40 & 30
Income and asset situation:
* What income do you have (gross/net)?
* Net: €5200 + €1300
* How much equity do you have?
* €70,000 (planned to be €100,000 by the end of the year)
* How much equity do you want to invest in the house project?
* 90%, so €90,000
Expenditure situation:
Housing costs:
* current warm rent
* €1600 "warm" is a joke... we don’t even really heat in winter because otherwise we would just be "burning" more money
* Electricity
* €90
* Phone, Internet, Mobile
* €45+15+15
Mobility costs:
* Car loan (or savings rate for a new car)
* €300
* Insurance
* €70
* Fuel
* €100
* Other
* €90 car parking space at the house
Insurance costs:
* Private health insurance (also supplementary health insurance, daily sickness allowance etc.)
* €25
* Liability insurance (also pets)
* €4
* Household contents insurance
* €7
* Legal expenses insurance
* €35
Living expenses:
* Groceries
* €400
* Restaurant costs
* €50
* Personal care/drugstore
* €25
* Clothing
* €50
* TV/Video/Audio/CDs/DVD
* €20 already paid?
* Other
* €200 (subscriptions, streaming, software, servers, ...)
Savings:
* Vacation
* €250
* House
* €2000 (building equity)
* Hobbies/Gifts
* €150+150
* Other
* €250 emergency fund
* €200 household appliances new purchases/repairs
Income and expense totals:
* Total income
* €6500
* Total expenses
* €6141
* Balance
* €359
* of which total cold rent and dispensable savings (e.g. savings rate for house)
We do not yet have further details on the remaining questions.