Garden fence height in NRW, and possibilities for a higher privacy screen?

  • Erstellt am 2022-03-26 17:54:01

Tobias Claren

2022-03-26 17:54:01
  • #1
Hello.

From the sidewalk behind the fence behind a green strip, at about 170cm eye level, you can see the terrace floor and thus also the entire terrace window of the living room.

Pretty much right down to the ground at the house wall. People, table, etc. on the terrace of course fully. And people in the garden. The distance from the sidewalk to the fence is 9.8m. If you stand 2m in front of it, you can only just see under the roof frame of the bungalow. If it is not possible in this situation to go, for example, to a height of 235cm (then from the sidewalk the sight height on the house wall would start at 2m), what possibilities would there be to create a higher privacy screen?

Apart from reasons for an exception (although the whole neighborhood hasn’t had it since the 70s), what can theoretically be done? Over the years, there have been fewer and fewer trees. The last large one fell on the neighbor’s roof... Are there no legal regulations for plants? So you could plant anything that grows quickly behind a normal fence? What plants would be suitable there? Leyland cypress, giant bamboo, privet supposedly grow especially fast... More important than the maximum height would be the speed up to about 2.5m. How would it be if you continuously attach flower boxes on top behind the fence on the fence and plant them? They are plants, but not in the ground. Theoretically, from the outside you wouldn’t even have to recognize them as hanging (cf. “hanging gardens”). Then about 50cm of dense plant height would be necessary.

How is it practically with the thickness of fence posts? Are 9cm every 1.8m with ~6mm thick vertical slats a “norm”? I also have beams with 6cm (~5.6cm) thickness and ceiling panels with tongue and groove that are about 12mm thick (except the piece of visible tongue). And possibly also enough slats (if necessary, some can be purchased) as a base between the posts if you mount these panels vertically. I could also place the beams closer together than the ~1.8m that currently result from the fence elements. I have to count and see which beams would be suitable because of the length. For the thick beams at 14m there are currently 8-9 pieces. The 9th is exactly on the border to the neighbor. Since they have the same old fence, it is hard to tell who the beam belongs to. I think that one wobbled too... The wood of the interior ceiling panels certainly doesn’t seem worse than the fence wood, which is only half as thick. It is of course solid wood, not MDF etc.. These long narrow panel slats. And if you protect it afterwards, it will probably last longer than the fence wood.
 

Ysop***

2022-03-26 18:01:57
  • #2
Hello :)

Unfortunately, I find your text difficult to read and understand. What does the development plan or the municipality say? How high may a fence or planting be? Is something different specified for the plants than for a fence?
 

Tobias Claren

2022-03-26 19:31:52
  • #3
The development plan says nothing.
This is a yellowish crumpled document from 23.06.1969.
On the left the map and on the right the legend.
Then there is also "Textual determinations" as a document.
In it:
House garden: Allowed along traffic areas is fencing by fences or hedges up to a maximum height of 0.80 m (of which max. 0.20 m base height above ground). Allowed along adjacent private areas is fencing by fences or hedges up to a maximum height of 1.30 m (of which max. 0.20 m base height above ground). The traffic view must not be obstructed by fencing or growth. To shield garden courtyards, walls up to a maximum height of 2.000 m are permitted for garden courtyard houses, likewise wall sections of the same height between group houses to shield terraces. Coordination in material design is a condition.

Back then, however, there was still the open field behind of possibly 2 km to the next town.
When it was built there, everyone put up ~2 m high standard fences with these 1.8 m x 1.8 m panels made of double "woven wide 6 mm thick wooden slats."
Is a split footpath that is blocked by bollards a "public traffic area"?
In "Design statutes" it says:

2: Fences along public traffic areas: Generally permitted are fences up to max. 1.00 m above ground surface as well as hedges, as long as they do not obstruct traffic visibility (traffic visibility triangle). In connection with the above-mentioned hedges, chain-link fences of the same height are also permitted.
Closed fences such as walls are not permitted. Ground surface is the sidewalk edge bordering the property, or if adjacent to a traffic area without sidewalk, the upper edge of the street.

3:
Fences along private property areas: Except for the fences permitted in point 2, sentence 1, chain-link fences up to max. 2.00 m above the natural ground surface are permitted.

Exceptions: Exceptions from this provision in type and design are only permitted with the consent of the owner of the immediately adjacent property (neighbor); the fence height of max. 2.00 m (sentence 1) must be observed.


There is the 2.00 m height. Does it apply in this case for the rear garden boundary?
Possibly the 2 m limit already applied back then, but still only picket fences were built.
Because of the free view, there was only field.
That part is from 19.02.1987.
In front of the window of the house standing sideways on the property behind, there has always been a "spy window" from which one could probably see the entire garden including terrace even at a height of 3 m...

But nothing is said about the type or height of plants.
In a plan for the new area behind, there are even tree species, hedge types, etc. listed.

And of course, nothing is said about how it is with plants in pots on the fence that grow above the 2 m height.
Possibly that would be, next to a real hedge from the ground up, a permissible option.
 

11ant

2022-03-26 22:04:52
  • #4
From this, you can infer the "planning intent" of your development plan, which it would have had at the same time in the event of a change. Against paranoia, there are doctors, not fences.
 

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