LBO1987
2014-10-03 00:22:47
- #1
Hello,
I became aware of this forum through Google and I hope to get an honest third opinion here.
My wife and I have been searching for an apartment in Berlin for some time. The market is swept clean. At some point, the thought occurred to us: 1000 euros in rent, I might as well buy a house. But even there, existing properties are far too expensive. So a new build, even though we never wanted this stress. I met with various well-known home builders you find on the internet, but I didn't like any of them; there were always unpredictable costs that nobody really knew about. But now, through a colleague at work, I came across a company that we like very much and builds in Brandenburg, so much that we have already met with them three times, the plot of land is a dream. Right at the Berlin city border, within walking distance to the S-Bahn, schools, daycare, shopping facilities, everything you need. We are now at the point where we can't decide whether to take the risk. I deliberately call it a risk because that's how we see it. Therefore, I would like to ask for your honest, unbiased third opinion. The financiers say it’s doable, the seller definitely says it’s doable, but what do you say? Are these sales figures even realistic, what costs might still arise that we haven't thought of? Here are the raw numbers:
Plot of land 550 sqm 80,000 euros
Flat rate 20,000 euros for:
Construction water and power, including consumption
Remaining surveying costs
House connection costs for sewage, water, electricity
Including costs of the structural engineer
Including costs of the soil report
Including costs of the official site plan
Including acceptance costs of the shell by the structural engineer
Including costs of the building permit
110 sqm house including painting and special features such as electric shutters, clay roof tiles, additional electrical package, and underfloor heating 155,000 euros
Tiling work will be contracted separately as it is cheaper, 9,000 euros
Notary, land registry, and property tax 5,500 euros
Outdoor facilities that would have to be done immediately (Carport needed later, for example) 10,000 euros
Kitchen 8,000 euros
Reserve 7,500 euros
We can buy new furniture, outdoor plants, garden tools, pay for the move, and a building consultant who supports us with the construction from our own money. I have calculated a total of 25,000 euros for this, which we also have. So overall, this would require financing over 100% since we have no further capital. We have allowed ourselves many holidays, have seen the world, and the wedding was also very expensive. So, we need 295,000 euros in debt (at least if you believe the seller’s calculation). Oh man, we have never had debt before. This is really breaking our heads. 15,000 euros must be taken out through an expensive loan, 280,000 euros can be taken out via a "cheap" bank loan. Since long-term planning is important to me, a long fixed interest period was also important, and I have discussed this with the banks. Here is our monthly expense/income situation:
3,400 euros income minus 700 euros when my wife goes on parental leave. We are planning a child, so I want to calculate with the small income; otherwise, it would make no sense.
So 2,700 euros income against expenses of:
850 euros bank loan installment fixed for 30 years
250 euros private loan installment fixed for 5 years
400 euros house ancillary costs
100 euros house reserves
500 euros groceries
200 euros leisure/clothing
200 euros car
200 euros miscellaneous
I break even, at least as long as my wife is on parental leave. Purchases or saving would not be possible during this time. Our jobs are secure, our salaries increase annually according to tariff, the main loan installment is very small, and the remaining 120,000 euros that we would still have after 30 years could be completely paid off through special repayments or by increasing the repayment rate.
Now it’s your turn. I see no chance and would fall back on plan B. A large home savings contract, e.g., 100,000 euros, and save equity for the next 10 years. The downside here would be that we would have to stay in our apartment, which we no longer like at all. The plot of land is so beautiful. It’s a completely different feeling of life there. I didn’t actually want to raise my child here, after all, they would be torn away from their circle of friends when we move. And can you still find a truly great piece of land then? Can you find a cheap house because others have overextended themselves? The financier told us that most of his clients fix their interest rates for 10 years. On the other hand, the interest rates would also be high for us then if others can no longer afford it. I don’t know. What do you say?
Best regards
P.S. Maybe also important, we are both 30 years old.
I became aware of this forum through Google and I hope to get an honest third opinion here.
My wife and I have been searching for an apartment in Berlin for some time. The market is swept clean. At some point, the thought occurred to us: 1000 euros in rent, I might as well buy a house. But even there, existing properties are far too expensive. So a new build, even though we never wanted this stress. I met with various well-known home builders you find on the internet, but I didn't like any of them; there were always unpredictable costs that nobody really knew about. But now, through a colleague at work, I came across a company that we like very much and builds in Brandenburg, so much that we have already met with them three times, the plot of land is a dream. Right at the Berlin city border, within walking distance to the S-Bahn, schools, daycare, shopping facilities, everything you need. We are now at the point where we can't decide whether to take the risk. I deliberately call it a risk because that's how we see it. Therefore, I would like to ask for your honest, unbiased third opinion. The financiers say it’s doable, the seller definitely says it’s doable, but what do you say? Are these sales figures even realistic, what costs might still arise that we haven't thought of? Here are the raw numbers:
Plot of land 550 sqm 80,000 euros
Flat rate 20,000 euros for:
Construction water and power, including consumption
Remaining surveying costs
House connection costs for sewage, water, electricity
Including costs of the structural engineer
Including costs of the soil report
Including costs of the official site plan
Including acceptance costs of the shell by the structural engineer
Including costs of the building permit
110 sqm house including painting and special features such as electric shutters, clay roof tiles, additional electrical package, and underfloor heating 155,000 euros
Tiling work will be contracted separately as it is cheaper, 9,000 euros
Notary, land registry, and property tax 5,500 euros
Outdoor facilities that would have to be done immediately (Carport needed later, for example) 10,000 euros
Kitchen 8,000 euros
Reserve 7,500 euros
We can buy new furniture, outdoor plants, garden tools, pay for the move, and a building consultant who supports us with the construction from our own money. I have calculated a total of 25,000 euros for this, which we also have. So overall, this would require financing over 100% since we have no further capital. We have allowed ourselves many holidays, have seen the world, and the wedding was also very expensive. So, we need 295,000 euros in debt (at least if you believe the seller’s calculation). Oh man, we have never had debt before. This is really breaking our heads. 15,000 euros must be taken out through an expensive loan, 280,000 euros can be taken out via a "cheap" bank loan. Since long-term planning is important to me, a long fixed interest period was also important, and I have discussed this with the banks. Here is our monthly expense/income situation:
3,400 euros income minus 700 euros when my wife goes on parental leave. We are planning a child, so I want to calculate with the small income; otherwise, it would make no sense.
So 2,700 euros income against expenses of:
850 euros bank loan installment fixed for 30 years
250 euros private loan installment fixed for 5 years
400 euros house ancillary costs
100 euros house reserves
500 euros groceries
200 euros leisure/clothing
200 euros car
200 euros miscellaneous
I break even, at least as long as my wife is on parental leave. Purchases or saving would not be possible during this time. Our jobs are secure, our salaries increase annually according to tariff, the main loan installment is very small, and the remaining 120,000 euros that we would still have after 30 years could be completely paid off through special repayments or by increasing the repayment rate.
Now it’s your turn. I see no chance and would fall back on plan B. A large home savings contract, e.g., 100,000 euros, and save equity for the next 10 years. The downside here would be that we would have to stay in our apartment, which we no longer like at all. The plot of land is so beautiful. It’s a completely different feeling of life there. I didn’t actually want to raise my child here, after all, they would be torn away from their circle of friends when we move. And can you still find a truly great piece of land then? Can you find a cheap house because others have overextended themselves? The financier told us that most of his clients fix their interest rates for 10 years. On the other hand, the interest rates would also be high for us then if others can no longer afford it. I don’t know. What do you say?
Best regards
P.S. Maybe also important, we are both 30 years old.