Assessment of (partially) renovated house from 1961

  • Erstellt am 2025-07-25 15:30:16

PurpleBee

2025-07-25 15:30:16
  • #1
Hello everyone,

silent reader here, who has been dealing with the topic of house building and renovation for some time. Now we (3-person family, possibly +1 in the future) have the chance to visit/buy a house. First of all: the current owners (4-person family) have been living here (only) for about 10-15 years (not exactly known), so they already carried out some work when they moved in.

Here are some known key data

    [*
      Solid duplex from the year 1961
      [*]108 sqm living space on ground floor, upper floor and attic (converted)
      [*]Fully basemented
      [*]Mini balcony on the back side
      [*]Energy
      [LIST]
      [*]A warm-air tiled stove heating system is installed, which was deliberately (?) left in place when moving in, the burner is apparently relatively new
      [*]Consumption probably about 1,000 liters of oil per year
      [*]Hot water runs on electricity
      [*]No high utility costs according to the owner


The following have been modernized in recent years:

    [*]Electricity completely renewed
    [*]Guest WC new, bathroom still needs work (we would probably do this when moving in)
    [*]Walls inside completely plastered
    [*]Terrace new
    [*]Parquet throughout the house
    [*]Attic converted, roof insulated from the inside, new attic windows
    [*]Windows double or triple glazed, age unclear
    [*]Front door renewed
    [*]Facade was “done” 15 years ago, completely plastered (still unclear whether the facade was also insulated back then)
    [*]Otherwise no known defects
    [*]Owners are not aware of any substances still installed anywhere

The purchase price is very good for the region, which is why we probably don’t have much time to think about it. We would like to make an offer shortly after the viewing - if we like the house.

The following points/questions and possible cost items I would like to inquire about or discuss here:

    [*]Heating: I know the pros and cons of a warm air heating system, and the disadvantages are not a deal-breaker for us. It is clear that the heating would need to be replaced in the next few years. After some research I thought of an air-to-air heat pump; with this, the existing system could be replaced with relatively little effort. There is currently funding for this. Or something else? Do I also have to think about ventilation for this? What do I do about hot water? Still use electricity? I would roughly estimate total costs here at around 20-25k€.
    [*]Further renovation needs: What else should we keep an eye on or look at more closely during the viewing? New roof covering? Possibly new facade insulation if this has not yet been done? Basement ceiling insulation? I don’t know if the water and sewage pipes were renewed back then, which would also be a major cost factor. If only the water pipes need to be replaced, I would estimate 10k€ here.
    [*]Hazardous materials: Where could hazardous materials still be hidden? Asbestos was also used in roof tiles or heating/ventilation pipes.
    [*]Other: The viewing is still pending, so I cannot assess, for example, if the basement is damp. Since this is a “partially renovated” property and some things have already been renewed, I would also be interested in any hints about further potentially costly renovation needs or areas to be checked on the house.

I am aware that an assessment of the house from a distance and without pictures is difficult, but I hope that one can at least get a first impression with the information. If important information is missing, please point it out and I will try to find out. Thanks in advance for any input and help!
 

11ant

2025-07-25 16:31:53
  • #2
A scout ID illuminates glass spheres. Semi-detached house from 1961 will mean single-shell party wall. Whether the facade is insulated can be seen, as well as the number of panes (lighter test, but double glazing does not have to be worse).
 

wpic

2025-07-25 17:15:26
  • #3
Basically, you should conduct the inspection with an architect experienced in old buildings - from personal practice - as part of real estate purchase consulting. After the property visit, they will be able to give you an assessment in a follow-up discussion regarding the points you inquired about.

The following must be checked:
- legal building compliance of the offered property in all parts - the most important check. There are often surprises here that also affect the broker/owner.
- Evaluation of the condition of preservation
- Quality and energy efficiency of the building fabric
- Possible construction damages/moisture damage
- The need for renovation and modernization
- Shell construction/roof structure/statics for any planned conversion and extension options
- The constructive and building-physical coherence of already carried out renovation works
- The building and planning law situation for expansion, change of use, and extension projects
- Numerous documents for freedom from encumbrances (land register/building encumbrances/development costs, etc.)

Based on experience, the converted attic is critical, as it is mostly used without a building permit. Also, all self-performed renovation measures usually do not comply with the [a..a.R.d.T.] and are often questionable from a building-physical point of view.

In your place, I would assume a complete renovation in which only the shell without the roof remains. The rest of the building structure must be newly built according to current and your requirements, including changes to the floor plan, energetic renovation (building insulation/heating/windows), and new building services (electrical/heating/plumbing/ventilation/cooling). Pollutants and disposal costs will of course also play a role.

The renovation planning should then also preferably be developed by an architect as a concept for the entire building. A renovation with self-made offers from freely acting and arbitrarily working construction companies, which can only oversee their own trade - at best - is not purposeful.
 

11ant

2025-07-25 18:55:01
  • #4
That sounds a bit too dramatic to me. With "year of construction 1961" alone, yes, but with "year of construction 1961 and refurbishment around 2010" it is somewhat less severe. I assume that during the refurbishment only the things were done that a layperson would note themselves, so there will likely still be cast iron downpipes (remove them if necessary) and the fresh water is distributed through lead pipes (remove them immediately). If everything was plastered over back then, the electrical system is usually no longer entirely original to the year of construction. This is actually a classic case where everything is taken care of to prevent the wall surfaces from being reopened soon. That is always advisable. Do not forget to "tap into" the owners of the neighboring half to find out what they have done / had to have done and what their experiences were. The same applies accordingly to those readers dealing with terraced houses. If a house has siblings, this usually also helps to complete the building records. Obtain as much of this as possible in advance, so that the professional inspecting the property can look behind the scenes more precisely. Do not skimp on the qualifications of this companion; a new-build architect or a craftsman who just does something vaguely related to construction are rather weak aids.
 

PurpleBee

2025-07-25 20:25:13
  • #5


Let the ID stay here briefly now: 160646250.
 

PurpleBee

2025-07-25 20:29:59
  • #6


Thank you for the expert assessment. The property was interesting to us because, at first glance, no massive renovation needs were apparent/are apparent. Therefore, the assessment surprises me but I can understand the line of thought. Apparently there is a building permit for the attic expansion, and the neighbors have even subsequently installed dormers. As far as I know, the roofing work was also done by a carpenter.

Of course, I cannot say anything about the electrics except that they were renewed; I can find out who or how that was done.

Naturally, an inspection with a knowledgeable architect is sensible; I also have one in my circle of acquaintances. I also have a heating engineer in the family who could comment on the heating. It is just a question of whether one has/can get the time for it.



In fact, all houses on the street are more or less identical. The neighbors have apparently already renovated the house as well, so it is of course possible to ask them.
 

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