Which financing offer should we take?

  • Erstellt am 2013-12-18 23:35:00

Heisenberg

2013-12-18 23:35:00
  • #1
Hello, we want to finalize the financing for a single-family house this week since the notary appointment for the plot is already on Monday. We plan a budget for the property including all costs 340,000 € and have 75,000 € equity capital. Furthermore, there are 3000 € available from a Riester fund pension which will then be transferred as a lump sum into a housing Riester contract for the financing. Thus, we need a loan amounting to 265,000 €

We currently have the following offers:

Bank A (house bank)

Annuity loan 145,000 € 15-year term 3.15 % 631,-€
KFW 153 program 50,000 € 10-year term 2.20 % 195,-€
Housing Riester wife 35,000 € 15-year term 3.15 % 162,-€
Housing Riester husband 35,000 € 10-year term 2.80 % 192,-€ (The contract is currently being saved up and receives a lump sum payment of 3000 € from an old Riester contract) Interest rate for the building savings loan 3.25 %
Total: 1180 €

Bank B (another local bank)

Annuity loan 130,000 € 15-year term 3.05 % 547,-€
KFW 153 program 50,000 € 10-year term 2.20 % 195,-€
Housing Riester 85,000 € 13-year term 2.70 % 372,-€ (Interest rate building savings loan from allocation 2.50 %)

Furthermore, in this option we would continue to save an existing housing Riester contract (35€ building savings amount) to repay the Kfw loan in 10 years with the building savings loan (voluntary savings rate 120€)

Total: 1114 € + 120 € voluntary savings rate building savings contract for the Kfw loan: So total 1234 €

At first glance, we would decide for option B. Do you agree with us?? Or is there any catch that we have forgotten/overlooked?
 

toxicmolotof

2013-12-19 00:22:44
  • #2
How high are the actual Riester rates together with the other Riester contracts in the two variants?

I would spontaneously be concerned that more is paid in than is actually allowed. There are limits.

Were you explained how the taxation of the Riester contracts will proceed later? At some point, everything is paid off, and then the tax office comes around with tax claims.

Personally, I am currently not convinced by the Riester home construction variants, as they contain costs that no one can calculate 20 or 30 years in advance, since tax laws will change 5 to 15 times by then.
 

Heisenberg

2013-12-19 15:01:56
  • #3


The savings rates are about €70 and €110 for variant A. For variant B, the savings contribution is €180.



That's true. There is, of course, some risk. But for that, I have the subsidy and the annual tax advantage of at least €450 per person for the next 35 years.

I also have no interest rate risk with the home savings loan as with the annuity loan. Here I already know that for variant B it is 2.5%.

Furthermore, as a retiree, I have a different tax rate and, for example, pay less tax on €1000 as a retiree than I do now as an employee.
 

toxicmolotof

2013-12-19 20:30:53
  • #4
Ok, including all government subsidies, you are allowed to deposit a maximum of 2,100 euros p.a. per person. You should still be far enough away from that.


Provided the allocation takes place on time as expected. That is not always the case. You have to pay attention to that now as well.


And from the 36th year on, you will then have a tax disadvantage of presumably a comparable amount.


I just misplaced my crystal ball, but do you really think the tax burden will actually be lower in 35 years?
I’m just throwing in cold progression and 35 years of tax law changes... Nobody knows what will come out eventually! Nobody! Presumably, current statements (whether from banks, insurers, politicians, tax advisors or the state) will have about the same truth content as: The pension is secure! There will be no toll with me! *Insert any quote* and so on and so forth...

I can really understand your wish very well and everyone should do what they think is right. But I think absolutely nothing of this model.
 

demian

2013-12-20 08:56:10
  • #5


That is not correct! For the maximum subsidy of 154€, at least 4% of the previous year's net income but a maximum of 2100€ must be deposited. However, it is certainly legitimate to pay in more! Only then there is no higher subsidy.
 

Heisenberg

2013-12-20 18:45:03
  • #6


That sounds plausible. We are still far from the €2,100 anyway. So we are on the safe side regarding the limits. We will probably decide on option B, as we do not see any catch with the offer.
 

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