Water pipes in the wall - and now?

Evening,

I want to redesign 2 rooms into a larger living-dining area. For this, I had planned a wall breakthrough with a ceiling-high beam (HAE 160) (load-bearing wall). Unfortunately, today we discovered that the water pipes for the upstairs bathroom probably run through here.

Supports and opening can be recognized based on the cuts.

I would like to have the large opening, but I'm not sure what would be most practical here. Possibly, one could also start further to the left and then stop before the pipes. Anyone have an idea?

Thanks

Now we unfortunately found out today that the water pipes for the upstairs bathroom probably run through here...

Foolish hands first wield the Hilti and then realize that wireless water has not yet been invented. This renovation fail should really be pinned at the top. The Federal Minister of Health recommends: do not only print warnings on cigarette packs. But thanks for owning up to it. Hopefully potential copycats will read this in time!

I had previously hired a structural engineer. Everything was planned and calculated exactly as seen.
So why should I stand here, or what makes me a fool here?
A very nice tone from you. I thought people like you no longer exist in forums.

The pipes could also be rerouted, provided they are only water pipes and not sewage pipes - I can't quite tell from your picture.

However, you will probably also have to open the floor, so that the pipes first go to the right, then up (enlarge the section accordingly), and then back to the left, connecting again to the existing pipe at the top. You would then possibly have to box in the vertical connection with drywall.

How this can be done in harmony with a beam, however, must be determined by the structural engineer. I think or believe there are special constructions with passages for this.

It will definitely be significantly more complex because of this - but it would save the idea with the opening.

Always look one floor above and below the location and if possible check the plans.

You probably could have noticed that.

Now there are a few options.

Make an opening elsewhere (structural engineer required)

Lay pipes (plumber required)

Redo everything

Do everything as planned but create a riser shaft around the pipes.

Nothing to worry about. It’s just annoying and causes a few extra costs. The house is fine as long as the structural engineer is involved.

I would probably accept that the beam ends up where the pipes are today and integrate the pipes into the beam structure. Of course, you can also reroute the pipes. There are many options for that.

Diesen Umbau-Fail sollte man eigentlich ganz oben anpinnen.

I don’t see a "fail" here, because no significant damage has occurred. Only a challenge arises because something was overlooked. It can happen. Now the "crowd" helps. All OK.