Ventilation system as a condition of the building permit - noise caused by draft

  • Erstellt am 2022-05-03 13:51:53

JohnnyCooker

2022-05-03 13:51:53
  • #1
Hello community,

I have already read some posts and tried to find a thread on our topic. Unfortunately, only related / similar things. Therefore, I would like to post my question myself.

We are currently planning / building the second half of a semi-detached house. The first semi-detached house, which has existed for 15 years, is inhabited by my parents-in-law.
Even though this seems a bit strange... The second half was already planned 17 years ago, but no one wanted it back then ;-)
The semi-detached house is about 140m from the railway. There are also some trees in between (see map in the attachment).

We have now received a requirement from the building authority to install a ventilation system. Due to the noise mapping of DB from 2017, 68 and 60 dB(A) are present at our southeast and southwest exterior facades. Accordingly, according to "Noise protection in urban planning" (Supplement 1 to DIN 18005 part 1), even at 45 dB with only partially open windows, undisturbed sleep is often not possible. Consequently, sleep disturbances can only be avoided if the window remains closed. However, to maintain hygienic conditions, a ventilation concept must exist. Since this ventilation concept, based on the previous finding, may not allow open windows at night, a ventilation system must be installed. That is the building permit.

Now to reality: My wife and the sister-in-law, who is 8 years younger, once lived for a time in the existing semi-detached house. All residents of the house closer to and facing the railway line have certainly never complained about train noise and described this requirement as ridiculous.
We currently live in a multi-family house which is only 35 m from the railway line and also find it very quiet to fall asleep with open windows and solely window rebate ventilation.

We would now be very reluctant to implement this measure and would like to save the not directly calculated 12-15 K EUR.

Does anyone have an idea how to formulate a reasonable objection to the building authority?
Do the "experience values" of the neighbors count here?

Thanks for your assessment and possibly suggestions.
 

Neubau2022

2022-05-03 13:59:24
  • #2


I don't know how much time pressure you are under. But something like this takes a lot of time until an objection is processed. What if the objection is then rejected? Do you want to sue? But then the building permit will not proceed, as it is not processed further in case of lawsuits. You would have to ask yourself whether the time and money (possibly lawyer fees) are worth saving the 12-15k EUR. Controlled residential ventilation is above all a huge quality gain in new buildings.
 

Osnabruecker

2022-05-03 14:03:11
  • #3


I can definitely agree with that, or rather it's at the very top of the list "if I build again, then with..."
 

Benutzer200

2022-05-03 14:04:30
  • #4

No, I think the building authority's requirements are good. Besides, I would install a controlled residential ventilation system in every new building anyway – no matter what the requirements are.

Some are relaxed, some already perceive the slightest noise as loud. In this respect, the experience values do not count. The objective figures actually indicate noise.
 

netuser

2022-05-03 14:39:29
  • #5
Hello Johnny,

welcome to the forum!

I also cannot answer your actual question, except that in my experience "subjectively perceived" arguments do not help with the authorities. Therefore, I simply agree with the previous speakers and recommend looking at the matter positively and implementing it accordingly. As long as it is financially feasible in any way, you will not regret the decision in the end. Apart from the costs, you can only gain :)
 

face26

2022-05-03 15:14:52
  • #6
Can only contribute to a limited extent... we had the same issue, but then built with controlled residential ventilation.

Is there a sound insulation report that you have? What values are present on the other facades?
What does it mean to receive the requirement?

Similar problem in our building area. The development plan also included this with the ventilation concept or sound insulation verification.

Each of the builders had to provide a calculated proof that it works. Some had it done by a qualified person, others did it themselves on a DIN A4 sheet. The latter basically, I think, indicated the sound insulation values of the components. Which of course is nonsense, but everyone got away with it. Even those without ventilation systems, although bedrooms (children’s rooms) faced the noise-exposed side.

This is not meant as a recommendation, just a note that the municipality/city has to do this for their own legal security, so that you don’t come back in 5 years and make any claims. If I remember correctly, the threshold values were lowered 3 years ago. Back then, the building authority here (BaWü) already rolled their eyes. Meaning it might almost be irrelevant to the municipality how you actually implement it.

For my part, I can only say that I would always build with ventilation!
 

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