rosinanthe
2019-11-14 22:35:08
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Hello forum,
my wife and I want to secure our joint (50/50) loan with term life insurances (RLV). Our lender has made us a seemingly attractive offer for two people "crosswise." Each individual RLV covers the entire loan amount, with the sum insured adjusted annually based on the outstanding balance. Additionally, the payout is always 15% above the sum insured to cover any prepayment penalties. Sounds somehow "tailor-made," but maybe that's also exactly a disadvantage. The beneficiary of both RLVs is the lender, by the way.
Please correct me here:
Assuming I die after 6 years. The debt at that point is still 300,000 EUR. My wife's RLV (on my life) pays the lender 300,000 EUR + 15%. Now it is questionable whether "my death" is sufficient to trigger an extraordinary termination of the loan, but the bank tells us that it would withhold the 300,000 EUR, deduct the prepayment fees from the additional 15%, and transfer the remainder to my wife. Sounds good, but I suspect there are situations in which the bank does not want to terminate the loan. In such a case, I would hope the full 300,000 EUR + 15% would be passed on to my wife. However, it is the lender’s decision.
Again, assuming the loan is terminated and the RLV settles the outstanding balance and fees. The debt after the 7th year would then be 0 EUR.
"My" RLV (on my wife’s life) will have been inherited by my wife or my descendants (with my wife’s consent). But since the balance is 0 EUR, this RLV, as I understand it, terminates automatically. Again, this was not our decision. However, if the payout from the first RLV had been passed on to my wife, then my heir could benefit from my contract. If now my wife dies, he would receive the payout from my RLV and additionally have my wife’s invested assets. Since the insurance here would have to pay out almost twice, I assume that in case of my death an extraordinary termination occurs immediately, and it remains a single payout.
In contrast, I now consider two regular RLVs with a third-party company. There, I would probably manage to have the sum insured decrease similarly to our outstanding debt (by specifying a repayment-free period, total interest rate, total repayment rate).
The sum insured of 300,000 EUR goes to my wife, and SHE can now decide whether to "invest" the amount and pay the monthly loan installments with it or try to obtain a termination.
Furthermore, "my" RLV is inherited. Although the real debt has already been repaid, this RLV would pay my heir the then theoretically outstanding loan amount upon my wife’s death – so the heir would still benefit in this construction. Am I wrong?
The four RLVs mentioned here are all comparably expensive. The lender’s version will clearly cover the outstanding debt best but also takes away our decision-making scope. The third-party version does not cover the prepayment fees but offers room for decisions.
And finally: what does one actually do as a survivor with the RLV payout? Do you really pay off the debt and prepayment penalties, or do you invest the money and continue paying the regular installments?
So, that was long, but I hope it is understandable nonetheless. Thanks for feedback on my thoughts!
Rosinanthe
my wife and I want to secure our joint (50/50) loan with term life insurances (RLV). Our lender has made us a seemingly attractive offer for two people "crosswise." Each individual RLV covers the entire loan amount, with the sum insured adjusted annually based on the outstanding balance. Additionally, the payout is always 15% above the sum insured to cover any prepayment penalties. Sounds somehow "tailor-made," but maybe that's also exactly a disadvantage. The beneficiary of both RLVs is the lender, by the way.
Please correct me here:
Assuming I die after 6 years. The debt at that point is still 300,000 EUR. My wife's RLV (on my life) pays the lender 300,000 EUR + 15%. Now it is questionable whether "my death" is sufficient to trigger an extraordinary termination of the loan, but the bank tells us that it would withhold the 300,000 EUR, deduct the prepayment fees from the additional 15%, and transfer the remainder to my wife. Sounds good, but I suspect there are situations in which the bank does not want to terminate the loan. In such a case, I would hope the full 300,000 EUR + 15% would be passed on to my wife. However, it is the lender’s decision.
Again, assuming the loan is terminated and the RLV settles the outstanding balance and fees. The debt after the 7th year would then be 0 EUR.
"My" RLV (on my wife’s life) will have been inherited by my wife or my descendants (with my wife’s consent). But since the balance is 0 EUR, this RLV, as I understand it, terminates automatically. Again, this was not our decision. However, if the payout from the first RLV had been passed on to my wife, then my heir could benefit from my contract. If now my wife dies, he would receive the payout from my RLV and additionally have my wife’s invested assets. Since the insurance here would have to pay out almost twice, I assume that in case of my death an extraordinary termination occurs immediately, and it remains a single payout.
In contrast, I now consider two regular RLVs with a third-party company. There, I would probably manage to have the sum insured decrease similarly to our outstanding debt (by specifying a repayment-free period, total interest rate, total repayment rate).
The sum insured of 300,000 EUR goes to my wife, and SHE can now decide whether to "invest" the amount and pay the monthly loan installments with it or try to obtain a termination.
Furthermore, "my" RLV is inherited. Although the real debt has already been repaid, this RLV would pay my heir the then theoretically outstanding loan amount upon my wife’s death – so the heir would still benefit in this construction. Am I wrong?
The four RLVs mentioned here are all comparably expensive. The lender’s version will clearly cover the outstanding debt best but also takes away our decision-making scope. The third-party version does not cover the prepayment fees but offers room for decisions.
And finally: what does one actually do as a survivor with the RLV payout? Do you really pay off the debt and prepayment penalties, or do you invest the money and continue paying the regular installments?
So, that was long, but I hope it is understandable nonetheless. Thanks for feedback on my thoughts!
Rosinanthe