Eulennest
2017-03-24 10:48:35
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Good day,
we (both mid to late 20s) have our first financing consultation next week (initially quite non-binding, we will bring along 2 properties that we could imagine, but only as examples for now). However, I wanted to clarify in advance whether we need to prepare anything else and whether our plan is even feasible. I am a bit worried that professional advisors, who make money from this, might sugarcoat things. We definitely do not want a shaky financing that will keep us awake at night.
The key data:
We currently rent a 3-room, 65 sqm renovated old building apartment + cellar on the outskirts of Berlin. The lease runs for almost another year, and we definitely want to continue living in the apartment until then.
840€ warm (incl. parking space)
Afterwards, we are slowly considering something of our own, as we are planning to have children at some point in the next few years (nothing concrete yet) and the rents in the area currently seem unaffordable for something bigger compared to what you get and the fact that you would then be paying the mortgage for someone else.
In general, we are not dissatisfied with the size at the moment. We like open living on a rather small space. Everything could be a bit bigger and one more room would be missing in the long term, but perfect for us would be about 85-120 sqm. It should not be bigger anyway. We can also imagine both a condominium and a small house. However, since we place a high value on the charm of a property and we cannot do much with new builds, we would like to look out for an existing property that is already a bit older.
Since my partner has a crafts company with his father and they do a lot of interior finishing, insulation, drywall, bathrooms, facades, window installation, etc., it would of course be optimal for us if the property still requires renovation.
Now to the finances:
Income (She) 2700€ (permanent, IT sector)
Income (He) 1550€ (permanent, crafts/family business)
Expenses:
Rent: 840€
Electricity: 53€
Internet & phone & GEZ: 55€
Mobile phones + contracts: 20€ (his company phone)
Mobility: 63€ (his company car + a train ticket)
Leisure: 148€ (Spotify, Netflix, gym, etc.)
Workshop: 130€
Cats: 70€
Insurances: 26€
Household flat rate: 1000€
Account management: 9€
1,832€ remain. Of which since this year 1,500 euros are saved, and the rest goes to vacation, larger miscellaneous purchases, flights to family.
Before, we hadn’t really been able to save much as I earned significantly less a year ago and we spent the last year assembling our inventory to be completely satisfied with it.
So next month we'll only have 10,000€ in equity and want to raise it to 20,000€ by the end of the year to eventually be able to cover the incidental purchase costs.
So far, we have found a condominium (approx. 90 sqm) in an old Art Nouveau villa. But it is VERY much in need of renovation.
Cost approx. 115,000 although apparently one could already negotiate down to 100,000 as a lot really needs to be done and you first need the imagination to even be able to picture it, so the interest is not that high (the property has been there forever).
Renovation costs would be another approx. 100,000 here, although we could do a lot ourselves. Are there banks (this apparently varies from bank to bank) that credit particularly a lot of the own labor as equity?
Another property (which is not perfect in terms of location for us, but comes close to what we are looking for) would be a small detached house with 85 sqm (700 sqm plot - we actually don’t really need that much) from 1930, however a lot has already been done in recent years (new heating, electrics, roof & insulation new, etc.) for 200,000. Since much has already been done, the effort would be limited to a maximum of 250,000. The question here would be what banks recognize as value-increasing measures and what they do not.
Would something like this be basically doable? Or better to keep saving? We know that the equity is very thin, but hope that if we cover the incidental costs and also contribute some own labor, we can still get a reasonable interest rate? And have we forgotten to list anything in the expenses?
Thanks in advance for helpful answers :)
we (both mid to late 20s) have our first financing consultation next week (initially quite non-binding, we will bring along 2 properties that we could imagine, but only as examples for now). However, I wanted to clarify in advance whether we need to prepare anything else and whether our plan is even feasible. I am a bit worried that professional advisors, who make money from this, might sugarcoat things. We definitely do not want a shaky financing that will keep us awake at night.
The key data:
We currently rent a 3-room, 65 sqm renovated old building apartment + cellar on the outskirts of Berlin. The lease runs for almost another year, and we definitely want to continue living in the apartment until then.
840€ warm (incl. parking space)
Afterwards, we are slowly considering something of our own, as we are planning to have children at some point in the next few years (nothing concrete yet) and the rents in the area currently seem unaffordable for something bigger compared to what you get and the fact that you would then be paying the mortgage for someone else.
In general, we are not dissatisfied with the size at the moment. We like open living on a rather small space. Everything could be a bit bigger and one more room would be missing in the long term, but perfect for us would be about 85-120 sqm. It should not be bigger anyway. We can also imagine both a condominium and a small house. However, since we place a high value on the charm of a property and we cannot do much with new builds, we would like to look out for an existing property that is already a bit older.
Since my partner has a crafts company with his father and they do a lot of interior finishing, insulation, drywall, bathrooms, facades, window installation, etc., it would of course be optimal for us if the property still requires renovation.
Now to the finances:
Income (She) 2700€ (permanent, IT sector)
Income (He) 1550€ (permanent, crafts/family business)
Expenses:
Rent: 840€
Electricity: 53€
Internet & phone & GEZ: 55€
Mobile phones + contracts: 20€ (his company phone)
Mobility: 63€ (his company car + a train ticket)
Leisure: 148€ (Spotify, Netflix, gym, etc.)
Workshop: 130€
Cats: 70€
Insurances: 26€
Household flat rate: 1000€
Account management: 9€
1,832€ remain. Of which since this year 1,500 euros are saved, and the rest goes to vacation, larger miscellaneous purchases, flights to family.
Before, we hadn’t really been able to save much as I earned significantly less a year ago and we spent the last year assembling our inventory to be completely satisfied with it.
So next month we'll only have 10,000€ in equity and want to raise it to 20,000€ by the end of the year to eventually be able to cover the incidental purchase costs.
So far, we have found a condominium (approx. 90 sqm) in an old Art Nouveau villa. But it is VERY much in need of renovation.
Cost approx. 115,000 although apparently one could already negotiate down to 100,000 as a lot really needs to be done and you first need the imagination to even be able to picture it, so the interest is not that high (the property has been there forever).
Renovation costs would be another approx. 100,000 here, although we could do a lot ourselves. Are there banks (this apparently varies from bank to bank) that credit particularly a lot of the own labor as equity?
Another property (which is not perfect in terms of location for us, but comes close to what we are looking for) would be a small detached house with 85 sqm (700 sqm plot - we actually don’t really need that much) from 1930, however a lot has already been done in recent years (new heating, electrics, roof & insulation new, etc.) for 200,000. Since much has already been done, the effort would be limited to a maximum of 250,000. The question here would be what banks recognize as value-increasing measures and what they do not.
Would something like this be basically doable? Or better to keep saving? We know that the equity is very thin, but hope that if we cover the incidental costs and also contribute some own labor, we can still get a reasonable interest rate? And have we forgotten to list anything in the expenses?
Thanks in advance for helpful answers :)