Floor plan planning single-family house 180m2 south access - chaotic floor plans

  • Erstellt am 2024-02-16 23:10:21

Cubus3f

2024-02-16 23:10:21
  • #1
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 450m2
Slope: No
Floor area ratio: 0.4
Floor space index: 0.8
Building window, building line and boundary: Plot is 18.36 x 24.49; building window is 3 meters to the north, east and west and 5 meters towards the south (street)
Edge development: yes
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
: Flat roof
Style: modern, open
Orientation: South/West
Maximum heights/limitations
Additional requirements: Moderately trafficked street to the south, multi-family house to the north

Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: modern, open, flat roof
Basement, floors: No basement, 2 full floors
Number of people, age: 2 three-thirty adults, 2 children (6+1)
Space requirements on the ground and upper floors: ground floor 100m², upper floor 80m²
Office: family use or home office? Home office
Guest sleepers per year: 2 persons, 3 times a year
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: no
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: both yes
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
Living-dining area as much as possible in the south
Kitchen with freestanding kitchen island with pantry partially open, around the corner

House Design
Who created the plan:
- Planner of a construction company
- Architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Workshop at the back, bicycle stands, size of the children's rooms, parents' area is in the north, staircase variant 1
What do you not like? Why? very small garden especially from the terrace to the neighbor’s house

Variant 1:
Ground floor:

    [*]Bad: Kitchen too small, freestanding kitchen island of 2.35m does not fit, entrance to living area too small
    [*]Good: spacious hallway, open stair landing

Upper floor:

    [*]Bad: Access to children's bathroom through utility room, entrance to parents’ area through dressing room, dressing table in parents’ bedroom and not in dressing room
    [*]Good: spacious master bathroom, size of utility room and children's bathroom


Variant 2:
Ground floor:

    [*]Bad: no stair landing, small entrance or hallway, entrance area to living room
    [*]Good: large kitchen

Upper floor:

    [*]Bad: utility room too large, entrance to sleeping area (you walk into a wall), dressing table in parents' bedroom, master bathroom too small
    [*]Good: separate entrance to utility room


Price estimate according to architect/planner: €3,200/m2
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: €700,000
Preferred heating technology: heat pump

If you have to do without, which details/extensions
-you can do without: open staircase
-you cannot do without: pantry, kitchen with kitchen island, utility room upstairs, children's bathroom, large dressing room

Why did the design turn out as it is now?
E.g.
Standard design from the planner? Architect designed variants 1 & 2 after discussion
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mixture from many examples from various magazines...
What makes it particularly good or bad in your eyes?

Would you have suggestions on how we should plan the living/dining/kitchen area to realize an L-variant? The kitchen should have space for a kitchen island (2.35m x 1.1m). The stairs should be placed centrally in the house to better divide the rooms on the upper floor.
Are there any other improvement suggestions?

Many thanks
Cubus3f

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ypg

2024-02-17 01:03:11
  • #2
Oops... definitely swap the WZ with the kitchen. Shorten the house utility room on the upper floor, hallway with built-in wardrobe instead of QM and thus direct access to the children's bathroom. Move parents' access to the dressing room etc. to the front, skip the west window and turn the bed 180 degrees. I hope I implemented it correctly.
 

Cubus3f

2024-02-17 11:05:49
  • #3


Good morning YPG, thank you very much for your feedback.
We can actually consider swapping the kitchen with the living room, but wouldn’t we run into the pantry? (pantry behind the kitchen unit) Or would the entrance to the living/cooking/dining area be too small?



We are talking about variant 1:

If we swap the living room and kitchen, we would swap child 2 and utility room/children’s bathroom on the upper floor because of the water pipes.

Regarding the parents’ area: Thanks for the tip about rotating the bed. But we still have the vanity/dressing table in the bedroom. That should be removed from there.
 

11ant

2024-02-17 14:28:41
  • #4
What I still haven't understood is what the "chaos" mentioned in the headline regarding the floor plan is. If the architect misunderstands the keyword "dressing table" during the conversation and moves it into the bedroom, I don't find that so dramatic. Presumably, he is thinking of the lady of the house getting dressed up, appropriately for the Federal Press Ball gown. That happens at a time of day when no one in the bedroom is disturbed. However, if the daily lipstick application in front of the bathroom mirror is to be relocated there and the husband then wants to roll around in the pillows before the late shift, the architect must be informed. Otherwise, a dressing table belongs in an architect’s mental cinema in the ladies' room and in a shared bedroom as a substitute in there. This is not meant to be offensive and is not "chaos." Considering

a roof terrace is then oriented towards this view, it makes me rather wonder what this architect does professionally.


Already after the introductory meeting? - is the architect perhaps even an "architect" aka general contractor’s lackey? At an early stage, where the construction method reasonably has not yet been determined, details of an execution planning have no place whatsoever in a draft. Keep swiping, looking for a more suitable architect candidate.
 

hanghaus2023

2024-02-17 14:35:38
  • #5
I see at most a parapet. Perhaps a view could provide clarity.
 

Cubus3f

2024-02-17 15:17:03
  • #6


Chaos may have been wrongly formulated after all. One could have called it difficult because we simply can't satisfactorily manage the entrance area and living/dining/cooking area downstairs. We thought maybe you have a completely new idea. Maybe take the stairs out of the living area?



The roof terrace would have been an option because the house is longer at the bottom than at the top. We also don't find the roof terrace very sensible and it will not be implemented.


No, not after the first meeting. The variants each came after a conversation in which we stated our space planning wishes.
The construction company we are building with only works with this architect team. There is no alternative.
 

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