Flat roof insulation - 5 craftsmen / 5 opinions

  • Erstellt am 2016-07-19 12:34:04

sirhc

2016-07-20 08:07:22
  • #1

Does soundproofing play a special role for you in roof insulation?

For me it does, so I would be interested to know how you solved it, if that was an issue.
 

86bibo

2016-07-20 08:38:33
  • #2
There are also closed-cell rigid foams. Otherwise, an additional layer of glass wool or rock wool can be used for higher sound insulation. The structure will then naturally be 4-5 cm higher.
 

sirhc

2016-07-20 09:07:24
  • #3
The result of my research so far has always been stone wool, whether for the ETICS or for the roof insulation.

We plan to fully clad the (pitched) roof and apply sound insulation across the entire surface on the rafters – probably with panels made of stone wool. Thermal insulation will then be applied between the rafters. However, the decision is not final yet.

Achieving a sound insulation level of 50 dB in rooms under the roof slopes is really a challenge.
 

garfunkel

2016-07-20 22:35:01
  • #4
Soundproofing works according to the spring principle. Hard-soft-hard. The rigid foam boards, whether open-pored or not, do not exhibit any "soft" behavior. Sometimes you even find people on the internet claiming that it is actually a reinforcement. Personally, I cannot confirm that. I learned too late what the deal with rigid foam insulation is, but luckily it’s not a problem. However, I also attribute that to the local conditions! For example, I hear rain when it pours down heavily with a slight background pattering/rustling. I have no problem with that because I really like it and it is part of what I enjoy about a top-floor apartment. Traffic noise is hardly transmitted to me. The house is 3m away from the street and about 6m to the eaves. The traffic noise is too weak to be transmitted loudly to the roof. But those who want to be on the safe side regarding sound insulation should not use rigid foam, which I ultimately took away from hours of internet research and talks with the expert. My rigid foam boards have 4 or 5 cm of mineral wool applied for soundproofing. But honestly, that little bit doesn’t make much of a difference under appropriate conditions. When such a board lies in front of you and you see it, you understand why. Those who value sound insulation should definitely choose something else, better safe than sorry. What exactly is better, for example wood wool or mineral wool or something else, I cannot say. From everything I read afterwards, as a layman I would probably opt for wood wool. Because of insulation values and soundproofing. Although I believe it doesn’t make much difference whether it’s stone wool, wood wool, or some other wool. When I read the partial horror stories about rigid foam online, I very quickly made an appointment with the roofer and expressed my concerns accordingly. He reassured me and showed me that the residential area/the street has no more than 60db of traffic noise (during the day). The rigid foam boards, or rather the roof construction, dampen ~40-48db. So 20-12db remain that I would and do hear as traffic noise. I have to be quiet, as if I were sleeping, to hear the bus (which is very quiet and only runs during the day) and that only applies to the rooms facing the street. My bedroom is on the other side. Of course, other factors come into play such as masonry and/or windows. But as already mentioned, those who place value on sound damping and really want peace under the roof must inform themselves beforehand about what is done. My roofer presented everything with sound calculations etc. and clearly showed how it behaves for me, and I have an old building. In a new building, this must surely be considered somewhere and also made transparent. If not, I would have it done. By the way, my rigid foam boards dampen summer heat quite well. The last few days were very warm and the apartment never had more than 23° C all day. When I think back to earlier times, with insulation from the ’70s, it would already be 28° C now. From what I have gathered, wood wool should be the better alternative here. But of course, it also always depends on how thick the insulation layer is, etc. In conclusion, talk to an expert and preferably get the expected values in writing. It may also not hurt to contact an independent expert with the documents and situation. @ Sirhc: I consider it an absolute myth to describe a sound insulation value of 50db or an outdoor noise exposure of under 50db in the apartment as difficult. I really cannot imagine that this should be so hard to achieve.
 

sirhc

2016-07-20 23:36:26
  • #5
The part after "bzw" I do not understand.

Outside noise is 71-75 dB = noise level category 5 = sound insulation rating for bedrooms 50 dB. The bedrooms are under the roof, knee wall about 1.30m or so, so lots of sloping. That requires quite an effort to meet, since there is a lot of surface that is not wall. Of course, you can hardly replace it with something expensive, high financial effort.
 

garfunkel

2016-07-21 01:22:54
  • #6
not necessarily. for example, if you use 160mm mineral wool or stone wool, you already have a decent damper together. roof tiles, insulation, boarding

i guess you want a visible roof truss? otherwise, the rigid foam insulation would be unusual

what also plays a role are probably the rafters. they probably absorb sound and transmit it further into the apartment

but i think a building physicist or a similar expert would be sensible. i am just an amateur who has read a lot.

with noise level category 5, i wouldn't take that much risk.
 

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