700,000€ house - Are we overextending ourselves?

  • Erstellt am 2015-04-30 11:18:17

Klaus Herbert

2015-04-30 11:18:17
  • #1
Hello everyone,

my wife and I want to build a single-family house and have already purchased a plot of land for this purpose. We recently visited the architect and were somewhat surprised by the cost estimate. He quoted us €480,000 gross eligible costs for our plans (about 180m² living space, plus roughly 60m² usable space in the basement or outbuildings, double carport or garage). Together with the land (€165,000 including ancillary costs, developed, 1200m²) as well as additional costs and simple outdoor facilities, I quickly arrive at a total budget of €700,000!

That is initially a lot of money! Until now, I thought we could manage with €550,000 - €600,000. Nevertheless, I believe that we can afford the €700,000 and would like to ask for your opinion.

My wife is a civil servant in the senior service, and I am an engineer at a DAX corporation. We are both around 30 years old. Our current gross income is €126,000 per year, which results in a net income of €7,000 per month. We do not have children yet; they are planned after building the house.

Equity:
Land: €153,000
Savings: €75,000
Savings over the next 12 months: €40,000
Parental grant: €130,000

Total equity: ~ €400,000

Emergency reserve (stocks, etc.): €25,000 (should not be touched!)

So, we would need a loan of €300,000. That means, with an interest rate of 1.3% p.a., fixed for 15 years, and a 30-year repayment period, a monthly installment of about €1,050.

Currently, we have expenses of about €3,700 per month, of which €1,075 is cold rent (semi-detached house). This also explains the €40,000 that we will still save over the next 12 months. I know our expenses very precisely because I have been meticulously keeping a household account book for years. Rare purchases like a new washing machine or TV are also included, as well as vacations or depreciation of the cars!

In this situation, I see absolutely no problem. But as already mentioned, we want children, and then the situation might look different. Now there is parental allowance etc., but I simply calculated a "worst case":
"My wife does not work at all and takes care of the children."

In this scenario, I arrive at a net income including child benefit of €4,300.

Current expenses without cold rent: €2,600
Additional expenses for 2 children: €700
Loan installment: €1,050
Savings from shorter commute: -€300

Total: €4,050. There is not much room left then...

Now, this is a situation that might only last 1-2 years. First, there is parental allowance; later my wife can at least work part-time again. As a civil servant, that is no problem. Then there would also be an additional €1,300 - €1,800 net income. Some salary increases on my side could also still arise. On the other hand, unforeseen expenses could occur during the house construction, and things like new furniture, a nice garden design, etc. are not included yet.

Are we taking on too much???
 

SimonMoers

2015-04-30 11:34:30
  • #2
With equity of over 50%, you ask if you can afford a house?
And with that salary and being civil servants, yes, so if you don’t know that yourself, then no one can help you anymore.
 

tbb76

2015-04-30 11:47:13
  • #3
To be honest:

Of course you can afford it. It is naturally a huge amount of money, but you also have the corresponding income. And with 50% equity, you will also get a good interest rate, I am firmly convinced of that.

If you have been keeping a household budget for years, you already have the necessary discipline to be able to make potential savings.

Just make sure you stay within the budget when building (easier said than done) and choose the financing accordingly. But even people whose household income is lower take out 300k here.

But ultimately, you have to feel comfortable with the decision.
 

ypg

2015-04-30 12:20:41
  • #4
I find your calculation a bit confusing... I don't know if you are currently on parental leave or if the 4800 is from the fictitious calculation for later. Also, the cold rent will not be saved next year because you will still be living there during the construction. Anyway: unforeseen expenses like a new washing machine, or simply a new sports membership, or a new down payment for a new car will be recovered by you within a month - which means a longer burden for average earners, but you will have it covered quickly again. I think that's alright.
 

DG

2015-04-30 14:02:21
  • #5
The 1050€ cold rent, as ypg already wrote, in my opinion you will not save in the next 12 months, but for 2 people 2600€ monthly expenses without rent ... there is still plenty of room for possible disasters or you have an error somewhere.

You can roughly calculate 800€ monthly for one person, 400€ for another adult, and 350€ for children as you estimated. Then you would have about 2000€ for living expenses for 4 people. Loan ~1000€ => 3000€ total monthly; cars, vacation etc. come in addition.

It will be tight if necessary, but it won't kill you. As long as your wife doesn’t steal golden spoons, she will always be able to contribute to household income or is otherwise better secured than many others.

You can also insure the loan amount against unemployment, death, etc., especially at the beginning when the absolute sum is still very high.

So: 700T€ is no small change for a single-family house, but as it stands, doable, especially since you bring a lot of equity.
If you are unsure, wait another 2 years, then with the savings rate of +3T€ monthly (sic!!), that you stated, you would have another 70-80T€ equity and the rate would also be reduced significantly.

Or ... you continue to save ~3300€ monthly and in 4-5 years can more or less pay everything completely.
Then you build the house, have more or less zero debt, and when children come, you still have a household income of ~4T€ net.

Just from this you can see what options you have if the numbers are correct.

Best regards
Dirk Grafe
 

kamnik

2015-04-30 14:42:48
  • #6


I’m just wondering if one could spontaneously save 100 - 200 thousand euros with another planner? 138 euros/m² is already a good price if the location fits.
If you subtract the land, there are still about 535,000 euros left for new construction, right?

If you take a prefabricated basement, you are at about 45,000 euros for almost 100 m².
Including ground floor concrete slab.
If you build about 2,000 planned bricks with about half a meter, you are around
12,000 euros down for foreman, helpers, material, including adhesive.
Additionally, there are 8 m³ of 24 cm and some 11.5 cm bricks for partition walls + lintels.

Upper floor concrete slab costs about 10,000 euros at purchase (reinforced ceilings 27,-- euros/m² +
100 euros for 1 m³ concrete, including delivery + pumping on site)

Upper floor ceiling: same money as ground floor.
Gabled roof on top raw for 12,000 euros.
_________________________________________________________________________
Left at the end for the shell construction: 82,000 euros, without surcharge

If you subtract the 100,000 euros shell construction costs from the previous 535,000,
there are still about 435,000 euros left for
interior finishing, carport, windows, etc.


ps. in my opinion calculated too sloppily. However, whoever wants to buy their pastries at the pharmacy... is welcome to shop there.

ps2. I would look for another project planner. For that money you get
premium equipment, or you can still save a few euros? In short: too expensive,
the whole thing
 

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